Beste Antwort MightyMaz, 31. Dezember 2023 - 16:48
1. Da hier zwei konkurrierende replacement effects vorliegen wählst du einen davon aus. Die Karte kommt also ins Exil (da passiert nichts mehrfach) und von dort kannst du sie prinzipiell auch wie gehabt casten (aber halt nicht umsonst). Dafür musst du allerdings den replacement effect durch adventure anwenden um die Karte ins Exil zu legen und nicht den durch rebound. Wendest du hingegen den rebound replacement effect an kannst du die Karte sogar als Adventure spielen allerdings in diesem Fall dann nur noch via rebound trigger im upkeep und nicht mehr vorher (oder später).
715.3d Instead of putting a spell that was cast as an Adventure into its owner’s graveyard as it resolves, its controller exiles it. For as long as that card remains exiled, that player may cast it. It can’t be cast as an Adventure this way, although other effects that allow a player to cast it may allow a player to cast it as an Adventure.
702.88a Rebound appears on some instants and sorceries. It represents a static ability that functions while the spell is on the stack and may create a delayed triggered ability. “Rebound” means “If this spell was cast from your hand, instead of putting it into your graveyard as it resolves, exile it and, at the beginning of your next upkeep, you may cast this card from exile without paying its mana cost.”
616.1. If two or more replacement and/or prevention effects are attempting to modify the way an event affects an object or player, the affected object’s controller (or its owner if it has no controller) or the affected player chooses one to apply, following the steps listed below. If two or more players have to make these choices at the same time, choices are made in APNAP order (see rule 101.4).
2. Ja das casten via Flashback funktioniert aus folgendem Grund:
715.3. As a player casts an adventurer card, the player chooses whether they cast the card normally or as an Adventure.
715.3a When casting an adventurer card as an Adventure, only the alternative characteristics are evaluated to see if it can be cast.
601.3. A player can begin to cast a spell only if a rule or effect allows that player to cast it and no rule or effect prohibits that player from casting it.
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601.3e. Some rules and effects state that an alternative set of characteristics or a subset of characteristics are considered to determine if a card or copy of a card is legal to cast. These alternative characteristics replace the object's characteristics for this determination. Continuous effects that would apply to that object once it has those characteristics are also considered.
702.34a Flashback appears on some instants and sorceries. It represents two static abilities: one that functions while the card is in a player’s graveyard and another that functions while the card is on the stack. “Flashback [cost]” means “You may cast this card from your graveyard if the resulting spell is an instant or sorcery spell by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost” and “If the flashback cost was paid, exile this card instead of putting it anywhere else any time it would leave the stack.” Casting a spell using its flashback ability follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2f–h.
Obwohl die Karte aus dem Friedhof eigentlich nicht direkt als Adventure gespielt werden kann ist es somit legal mit dem casten zu beginnen. Durch Lier, Disciple of the Drowned zählt die Karte auf dem Stack als Instant wenn sie via Flashback gespielt werden soll und kann daher auch via Flashback gespielt werden. Für das anschließende ins Exil legen gilt dann wiederum das gleiche wie oben. Es gibt 2 konkurrierende replacement effects und wenn du den durch adventure auswählst dann kannst du die Kreatur aus dem Exil spielen.
3+4 Nein, da sie in den entsprechenden Zonen nur die regulären Charakteristiken haben (siehe unten). Mit Invasion of Shandalar klappt es demnach also.
715.4. In every zone except the stack, and while on the stack not as an Adventure, an adventurer card has only its normal characteristics.
bzgl. commander:
Wobei ich mich gerade frage, ob ich dann für Seek Thrills auch Commander Tax zahlen muss, wenn ich es aus der Commandzone caste?
Ja, da die Eigenschaft Commander zu sein die ganze Karte betrifft.
903.3. Each deck has a legendary creature card designated as its commander. This designation is not a characteristic of the object represented by the card; rather, it is an attribute of the card itself. The card retains this designation even when it changes zones.
903.8. A player may cast a commander they own from the command zone. A commander cast from the command zone costs an additional for each previous time the player casting it has cast it from the command zone that game. This additional cost is informally known as the “commander tax.”
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